Thursday, June 12, 2008

HAS SCOTUS SECURED OUR DEFEAT ?


"America is at war with radical Islamists," Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia wrote in today's stunning SCOTUS decision, adding that it "will almost certainly cause more Americans to be killed."

I am probably as shocked as you are at the news. This is a defeat for you and me, friends. Make no mistake about it.

Never
before in this country's history have judges decided to tie the hands of a commander in chief in time of war, essentially conferring constitutional rights on terrorists! Five radical activist justices have decided what the Constitution should say, not what it does say. They're writing the laws that determine how we can fight this war!

Sweet God Almighty.

District Court judges will now decide whether a prisoner of war taken from the battlefield and held at Gitmo is entitled to the SAME rights we are under our Constitution. This from the same court that ruled in Roe v. Wade it is legal to murder unborn humans. That ruled in Kelo v. New London that your private property can be taken by the government for profit? Lord almighty, what kind of perverted thinking is this?

Chief Justice John Roberts filed a separate dissent defending the alternative process to judicial hearings, calling them "the most generous set of procedural protections ever afforded aliens detained by this country as enemy combatants."

Are they deliberately trying to undermine our efforts in this war? These terrorists have been detained to get them off the battlefield, so we can question them, so we can protect ourselves against these slimeballs who think nothing of flying planes into our buildings, committing atrocities on the "infidels". WTF???

Both Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Antonin Scalia issued dissenting opinions, and all four dissenters (Alito & Thomas) joined in both dissents. Justice Scalia warns that the ruling “will almost certainly cause more Americans to be killed."
“The game of bait-and-switch that today's opinion plays upon the Nation's Commander-in-Chief will make the war harder on us. It will almost certainly cause more Americans to be killed." Justice Scalia's 25-page dissenting opinion concludes, "The Nation will live to regret what the Court has done today. I dissent.”
From Scotus Blog (with my comments in black):
In a stunning blow to the Bush Administration in its war-on-terrorism policies, the Supreme Court ruled Thursday that foreign nationals held at Guantanamo Bay have a right to pursue habeas challenges to their detention. The Court, dividing 5-4, ruled that Congress had not validly taken away habeas rights. If Congress wishes to suspend habeas, it must do so only as the Constitution allows — when the country faces rebellion or invasion.

Earth to Scotus: We ARE engaged in an invasion! Infiltration. Assault. Subversion. All out war. Just shaking my head here at the illogic of this ruling...

The Court stressed that it was not ruling that the detainees are entitled to be released — that is, entitled to have writs issued to end their confinement. That issue, it said, is left to the District Court judges who will be hearing the challenges.

District Court Judges will now decide who our enemy combatants are?!?

The Court also said that “we do not address whether the President has authority to detain” individuals during the war on terrorism, and hold them at the U.S. Naval base in Cuba; that, too, it said, is to be considered first by the District judges. Unfreaking-believable.

The Court also declared that detainees do not have to go through the special civilian court review process that Congress created in 2005, since that is not an adequate substitute for habeas rights. The Court refused to interpret the Detainee Treatment Act — as the Bush Administration had suggested — to include enough legal protection to make it an adequate replacement for habeas. Congress, it concluded, unconstitutionally suspended the writ in enacting that Act. Tell that one to Abraham Lincoln...
Radio host and Constitutional attorney Mark Levin gives us his first pass at the ruling:
While I am still reviewing the 5-4 decision written by Anthony Kennedy, apparently giving GITMO detainees access to our civilian courts, at the outset I am left to wonder whether all POWs will now have access to our civilian courts? After all, you would think lawful enemy combatants have a better claim in this regard than unlawful enemy combatants. And if POWs have access to our civilian courts, how do our courts plan to handle the thousands, if not tens of thousands of cases, that will be brought to them in future conflicts?

It has been the objective of the left-wing bar to fight aspects of this war in our courtrooms, where it knew it would have a decent chance at victory. So complete is the Court's disregard for the Constitution and even its own precedent now that anything is possible.

And what was once considered inconceivable is now compelled by the Constitution, or so five justices have ruled. I fear for my country. I really do. And AP, among others, reports this story as a defeat for "the Bush administration." Really? I see it as a defeat for the nation.
On the Guantanamo ruling, John McCain said he hasn’t read the opinion yet, but said the ruling “obviously concerns me." This from the man who wants to shut down Gitmo...
“We should pay attention to Justice Roberts,” McCain said, adding, "It is a decision the Supreme Court has made and now we need to move forward.” He reiterated his support for closing Guantanamo Bay."
Aaargh! Of much concern is John McCain's position on judges versus his own policies. On that point, Levin observes:
McCain undoubtedly supports the 5-4 decision, yet the justices who voted against it, and argued strenuously against it, are of the kind McCain claims to want on the bench. We have seen the same issue arise respecting campaign finance. This is not to say that McCain won't nominate originalists to the bench. But if he does, he will be nominating to the Court individuals who are better adherents to the Constitution than he is.
Scotus' decision is sure to be furiously debated today and in the days ahead. It's already created a firestorm on the blogosphere, being hotly debated by legions of bloggers.

I'm not a legal expert, but I know this is a blow to our national security, a further undermining by the liberal left on our ability to defend ourselves against a culture hell bent on our destruction. Just unbelievably myopic thinking.

Wasn't it Abraham Lincoln who warned that the Constitution is not a suicide pact? So here's my BIG QUESTION: if he's elected, what kind of jurors will McCorpse appoint to the nation's highest court? Men or women who are conservatives? More conservative than he is???

Michelle Malkin's wondering the same thing at her site while Ed Morrissey explores the decision at Hot Air.

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7 comments:

CJ said...

Are we going to give them the privilege of voting in our future elections next? AT what point do their US "constitutional rights" end? I can't remember where I heard it today, but someone asked if they will also be given their Miranda Rights? This is insane and will only get worse when Obama is able to choose who sits on this bench.

Paul Zannucci said...

Hey, cj, every vote must be counted.

Fractalman93 said...

The real bottom line here is that war knows no morals. Thus, we cannot fight a war on high moral ground and expect to win. I'm not saying that we nuke Iraq (and other Middle East countries) into yesteryear, but we cannot be overly concerned about how POW's (ones we capture) are treated either. Heck, our own citizens who are in prison are often treated very poorly. So, why should we worry how a non-citizen is treated?

Taking Devil's advocate for a moment, someone needed to tie GWB's hands! He (and Cheney) have more power than any President and Vice President in history thanks to the USA PATRIOT Act. I'll bet if you really put the effort into reading it, you'll find some pretty scary stuff in there. Congress hastily ratified this act after 9/11. If they had read it before hand, it probably would not have been ratified.

VinceP1974 said...

> He (and Cheney) have more power than any President and Vice President in history thanks to the USA PATRIOT Act.

Yeah it scares me that they could look at my child-hood library renteals.

Anonymous said...

This is what we get went we vote in "Republicans" who run on reining in irresponsible judges who make law from the bench. Then do absolutely nothing until the next election,then they run on reining in judges who make up their own law from the bench.
I'm not surprised Dubya says the ruling dissturbs him.It should.Uh George,read the Constitution.Congress makes law,the president approves it and the court is to hold that law up the test of "consistencey" to the Constitution,not do Congress and the Presidents job,too.
How about a new rule for politicians? Read the governing documents.
And then they expect the base to see the need to support the team because it's about the survival of our country that is above all.The GOP needs to try harder.

VinceP1974 said...

anonymous: I'll give you a timeline so you can see that everything you said is evidence of your ignorance.

November 13, 2001 Bush issues Military Order: Detention, Treatment, and Trial of Certain Non-Citizens in the War Against Terrorism

Terrorists are "enemy combatants". To be tried in ad hoc military tribunal


June 29, 2006: US Supreme Court strikes down the military order. Orders Congress and the Execute to come up with statutes to authorize the procedures to be used with detainees.


October 17, 2006 Military Commision Act of 2006 is signed


(a) Purpose— This chapter establishes procedures governing the use of military commissions to try alien unlawful enemy combatants engaged in hostilities against the United States for violations of the law of war and other offenses triable by military commission.

(g) Geneva Conventions Not Establishing Source of Rights— No alien unlawful enemy combatant subject to trial by military commission under this chapter may invoke the Geneva Conventions as a source of rights.

Sec. 948c. Persons subject to military commissions
Any alien unlawful enemy combatant is subject to trial by military commission under this chapter.

(a) Jurisdiction— A military commission under this chapter shall have jurisdiction to try any offense made punishable by this chapter or the law of war when committed by an alien unlawful enemy combatant before, on, or after September 11, 2001.
(b) Lawful Enemy Combatants— Military commissions under this chapter shall not have jurisdiction over lawful enemy combatants. Lawful enemy combatants who violate the law of war are subject to chapter 47 of this title. Courts-martial established under that chapter shall have jurisdiction to try a lawful enemy combatant for any offense made punishable under this chapter.
(c) Determination of Unlawful Enemy Combatant Status Dispositive— A finding, whether before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense that a person is an unlawful enemy combatant is dispositive for purposes of jurisdiction for trial by military commission under this chapter.




The term 'unlawful enemy combatant' means —
(i) a person who has engaged in hostilities or who has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States or its co-belligerents who is not a lawful enemy combatant (including a person who is part of the Taliban, al-Qaida, or associated forces); or
(ii) a person who, before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense."
...
"The term 'lawful enemy combatant' means a person who is —
(A) a member of the regular forces of a State party engaged in hostilities against the United States;
(B) a member of a militia, volunteer corps, or organized resistance movement belonging to a State party engaged in such hostilities, which are under responsible command, wear a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance, carry their arms openly, and abide by the law of war; or
(C) a member of a regular armed force who professes allegiance to a government engaged in such hostilities, but not recognized by the United States."

In General— No person may invoke the Geneva Conventions or any protocols thereto in any habeas corpus or other civil action or proceeding to which the United States, or a current or former officer, employee, member of the Armed Forces, or other agent of the United States is a party as a source of rights in any court of the United States or its States or territories.


(e)(1) No court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider an application for a writ of habeas corpus filed by or on behalf of an alien detained by the United States who has been determined by the United States to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination. (2) Except as provided in paragraphs (2) and (3) of section 1005(e) of the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 (10 U.S.C. 801 note), no court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider any other action against the United States or its agents relating to any aspect of the detention, transfer, treatment, trial, or conditions of confinement of an alien who is or was detained by the United States and has been determined by the United States to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination.


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So what part of the law wasnt followed?

Anonymous said...

We have no problem following the law.The problem is, role of the courts sticking to it's reponsiblity to hold the law up to the light of the Constitution,not making law.They are judges of the law,not lawmakers.